Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Don't Rush Robbie, Says Liverpool Legend


Ian Rush has once more voiced his support for Liverpool new-boy Robbie Keane, claiming that the Irishman has proved his importance despite his lack of goals.

Much was expected of Keane following his £20million summer move from Tottenham Hotspur. He scored 107 goals in 254 games during his six-year spell at White Hart Lane, and it was presumed he would instantly transfer that form to Merseyside.

That hasn't been the case, however. The 28-year-old is yet to get off the mark for the Reds and his partnership with Fernando Torres has only borne glimpses of its immense potential.

But Rush has called for anxious Kopites to be patient, pointing to Keane's history of droughts and streaks.

“I really rate him, he’s a great lad and he will score goals,” Liverpool's all-time leading goalscorer told News of the World.

“He’s more probably trying too hard to get his first goal. But I think when he went to Tottenham it was about eight or nine games before he scored and then he scored something like 11 in 13 games.”

One claim few would dispute is that Keane has been working his socks off in search of that first Liverpool goal, often sacrificing his own attacking game for the sake of the team.

And Rush believes such endeavor will hold him in good stead with the Anfield faithful, just as it did for England striker Peter Crouch during his first season at the club.

The Welshman continued: “Peter Crouch, I think it was 17 games before he scored and they were patient with him because they knew what he was doing, he was helping the team, and I think the supporters like that.

“I think it’s the same with Robbie Keane – they realize the amount of work he’s putting in so I think they’re happy with him.”

Torres Learns From Raul's Words

Fernando Torres has revealed that Spanish legend Raul Gonzalez offered the Liverpool striker some words of wisdom following Spain's painful exit at the 2006 World Cup in Germany.

In the 2006 World Cup in Germany, Spain looked strong in the group stage having secured three points in each of their games and therefore topped their group.

However, their early efforts were made in vein as they crashed out in the round of 16, losing to France by three goals to one.

Fernando Torres says that he uses that painful exit as inspiration for future success, and reveals that it is Raul's words of wisdom that made him realize this.

"When Spain went out of the World Cup in 2006 I was looking to Raul for comfort as one of the leaders of the team," Torres is quoted by the club's official website as saying.

"He just said to make sure you never feel like that again. It seemed harsh at the time but now I understand."

"Now, when we play games like the win against Manchester United, I remember how it was in the dressing room that day and I do everything I can not to feel like that again."

Tomkins: Glass Still Half-Full

I attempt to read all emails, even though I can't reply to them all. After poor results I get a mixture of messages: those from people who appreciate my attempts to find light in the dark (and who, such as this weekend, request a dose of positivity served in a glass half full), and those from people who offer a suggestion as to what I can go do with myself, sometimes with precise details as to the how and where.

I don't like to dwell upon a bad result. Upon medical advice I am aiming to lessen my workload over the coming months (not easy with a book just released and the season so quickly in full emotional flow), but while a result like beating United can see me happily steer clear of the laptop and just savour the memory, the over reaction to two points dropped at home to a promoted side can spur me into action.

When I read that the Reds definitely cannot win the title after one bad result, I despair. Just as beating Manchester United didn't make Liverpool a certainty to win it, one draw at home to a promoted side does not mean the opposite is now true. What I abhor most about modern football support is this constant swing from one extreme to another.

Anything is still possible, be it bad or good. Unbeaten in eight, only three goals conceded - each time leading to a victory after being behind - and a mere point off the Premier League pace. The big picture seems fine to me.

I still don't fully understand the emails I receive that treat me as if I am the person to blame, but I guess venting spleen is an important desire for many upset fans, and as someone who very much believes in the current manager, I'm an obvious target.

After all, we all feel helpless in the support of our team. We'd love to be able to directly influence the game, but that's just impossible. And we all get wise after the event. Had Stoke scored from a long throw, then it would have been a mistake to not play Hyypia. Had it been from central midfield, it would have been due to leaving out Mascherano.

As it was, it was an attacking line-up from Benitez, with two strikers, one winger and another striker-cum-wideman, and the two most creative central midfielders at the club. And Liverpool did all the attacking. They just drew a blank. Galling as it is, it happens.

Drawing 0-0 at home to Stoke is clearly a bad result. Of course, the referee did not help matters; what the home team desperately needs in parked-bus games is that first goal. It's not an excuse, just a fact of life. If you score legitimately after 67 seconds, you can relax, and the opposition has to change tact.

Let's be clear: brilliant, free-flowing football is virtually impossible in game like this - at least until that first goal goes in. It's hard to pass around a team that sets up like part-timers Andorra did against England; except Stoke are not non-league standard. And while the result wasn't as hoped, Liverpool did pretty much everything text-book against a packed defence.

There may have seemed like too many long distance efforts, but then Liverpool have already beaten 'Boro, Sunderland and Marseilles thanks to shots from outside the area. It can be a way past a massed defence if there is little space to work the ball, but Liverpool also went wide, tried intricate pass-and-moves, and created good chances close to goal as well.

I don't blame Stoke at all; they came with a game plan, just as Liverpool used to go to places like Barcelona under Gerard Houllier and park the bus. The referee allowed it to work this weekend due to his bizarre early decision, and the Reds failed to take their chances. All credit to the Potters.

There are obviously parallels with last season, particularly the 0-0s at Portsmouth and Birmingham at the same stage (not to mention an illogical refereeing mistake at Anfield that cost the Reds two points).

Like then, the first 0-0 - this time at Villa Park - was actually a decent result. Last season Benitez was blamed for resting Torres and Gerrard; this year he has done no such thing (although he was without them in the win against United), which goes to show that sometimes bad things happen to good teams, no matter who features in the line-up.

The difference this season is that Liverpool have already beaten a title favourite. I kept hearing for four seasons that the other big three are the teams you need to beat to win the title. At the same time, I still keep hearing that every single other team is the kind of team you need to beat to win the title. But you can't win 'em all.

All champions have a handful of bad results over the course of a season. No title is ever lost because of one slip-up in September.

However, every bad result clearly lessens the margin for error.

You can always carry a few setbacks, like United did when drawing at home to Reading early last season (amid other bad results in a poor start), but each one means one fewer 'get out of jail free' card. So it's not something to be blase about. It can prove costly, but only in a cumulative fashion.

While drawing with Stoke seems to negate all the good work against United, the fact remains that beating the current champions not only gave the Reds three points, but denied Ferguson's men their own.

Beating Stoke and drawing with United might seem a far more respectable way to get four points, but this way around is actually better, as United, who've already dropped points at home to 19th-placed Newcastle, remain worse off, and that's an important difference. (Unless it's Stoke who end up challenging for the title) Again, it should have been six points, but these blips happen.

For me, the main problem this season has been the fitness, sharpness and confidence of the two strikers. And there's not a lot a manager can do to change that, apart from keep faith and have patience. To my mind Rafa was right to buy Robbie Keane, who is a quality striker, but there was no guarantee of an instant windfall.

Torres was late back from Euro 2008, then suffered a hamstring strain. He's not found his full acceleration, and perhaps he's feeling the pressure a little after the raised expectations after a quite incredible 12 months. He has looked a little tentative when running, and it might be a week or two before we see him feel comfortable enough to use his explosive pace.

As a quick striker in my playing days (with only marginally less ability than Torres), I suffered with hamstring problems. They do play on your mind; it's a horrible feeling when one pings at full-pelt. Even when it's healed, the psychological scars linger a little longer. You need to feel able to trust your body.

I still feel Torres will have an excellent season. He doesn't need to score as many goals overall, just pull a rabbit out of the hat like he did at Sunderland, and of course, in the Euro 2008 final. Fewer goals but more 'winners' would be great.

Robbie Keane, meanwhile, seems overanxious, which is natural for any new striker with a big price tag searching out his first goal. Peter Crouch took 19 games to break his duck, but after that his scoring record was pretty good. Keane's two main efforts against Stoke were deft attempts, but a confident striker feels more able to aim for the corners; when the goals aren't flowing, you tend to concentrate on just hitting the target.

When I started out as a semi-pro I couldn't buy a goal (I was refused credit at Goals'R'Us). But once the first went in, my whole game went from abysmal to what I would call my 'personal best' (to some observers, that was only a fraction better than abysmal, but that's semantics...).

It's hard to explain how different you become as a footballer once you find your confidence. And trying too hard really is a curse. You need work-rate, but a relaxed mind.

Albert Riera seems to have settled much more quickly. For a tricky winger, his passing is superb. He looks a bargain, and Andrea Dossena, who has come in for some unnecessary criticism on a couple of occasions, will help offer a new dimension on that flank.

Another major plus is that Liverpool are defending set-pieces far better this season. The zonal marking system improved upon the arrival of Mauricio Pellegrino as a player in 2005, and he seems to have tweaked things again; particularly important with players like Crouch, Sissoko and Riise replaced by smaller alternatives. Liverpool have played some very tall sides this season, but rarely been worried (touch wood). But the Reds still need to score more from their own corners.

As has been noted, Liverpool have rode their luck at times this season, but it ran out at the weekend. The Manchester United victory showed how good this team can be, and despite the up-and-down nature of the performances, the Reds are brilliantly placed in both the league and in Europe. It could be better still, but every team can say that, including Arsenal, who lost at Fulham. As it stands, six points ahead of United and level on points with Chelsea, in addition to an away win in Marseilles, is something we'd have all taken if offered it in August.

Amidst the gloom of a missed opportunity, it's important to not lose sight of that fact.

Article courtesy of Paul Tomkins.

AFC Liverpool Face Cup Derby Thriller

AFC Liverpool face their first ever competitive derby match on Wednesday in a cup tie against top Liverpool side Waterloo Dock.

The 1st round Senior Cup tie takes place at Valerie Park, the home of Prescot Cables, who AFC Liverpool are groundsharing with this season and kicks off at 7.30pm.

It is the first time that the fledgling non league club has every faced another Merseyside team in a competitive match, and the fact that they do so in a knockout cup tie adds extra spice to the occasion.

AFC Liverpool are currently top of the Vodkat League Division One after a blistering start that has seen them score 22 goals in just six matches.

Waterloo Dock are the Champions of the Liverpool County Premier League and so are certainly of Vodkat League standard. Top of the league so far again this term, they are also renowned for having unearthed popular former Liverpool striker, and current Legends star, John Durnin.

Seasoned observers of the non league football scene believe this will be a mouthwatering clash between two genuine footballing sides each topping their respective leagues.

The cup draw will be particularly enticing for AFC Liverpool vice captain Jay Chandler who now marshalls the Reds’ back four, but who last season played for Waterloo Dock.

The winners will face either East Villa or St Helens in the 2nd Round of the Cup. Tranmere Rovers await the winner of that tie in the Quarter Finals, a suitable incentive for all clubs involved to fight hard for the win.

The Liverpool Senior Cup is a Liverpool County FA run competition which features Liverpool, Everton, Tranmere Rovers and all of the major Merseyside non league clubs. It will be AFC Liverpool’s first appearance in the competition.

Kuyt: We Want Goals


Liverpool forward Dirk Kuyt admitted to being frustrated in the wake of his side's goalless draw with Stoke City at Anfield but insisted that their opponents' defensive outlook was a compliment for the hosts. The ex-Feyenoord man wants to make amends in the Reds' upcoming matches.

Steven Gerrard had his second minute free-kick scratched by matchday official Andre Marriner, who perceived Dirk Kuyt to be in an offside position.

The Dutchman and his colleagues could not force a way past Stoke thereafter, and had to settle for a measly one point bonus.

The manner in which Stoke performed, with emphasis on not conceding rather than scoring, should be taken as a compliment to Liverpool, according to Kuyt, who wants more goals in the Reds' upcoming fixtures.

He told the Liverpool Echo: “I’ve never played in a game like Saturday’s without winning it.

“Sometimes this can happen because you know Stoke are going to defend really well and get men behind the ball but it is disappointing. We did not take our chances.

“They are a strong team and are threatening from set pieces and we managed to cope with that side of their game well, it was just the fact that we did not get the early goal we were looking for that made life difficult for us.

"It is a compliment to us that teams come to Anfield and play this way I suppose but there will be many more teams who come here and play like this and we have to make sure we are really focused and take whatever chances come our way.

"After you score the first goal then things usually become a lot easier because the opposition then has to come out and play.

“But we have to win games that we dominate; it is as simple as that. We lost two points but now we have to look to the next game.

“Sometimes things like this happen, we worked really hard and we dominated the game but we did not score goals. The good thing is we have a couple of games coming up to get this one out of our system."

Fernando Torres Needs Matches Not Rest, Says Rafael Benitez

Rafael Benitez, previously renowned for his rotation policy, has indicated that Fernando Torres will remain one of his “untouchables” despite the goals drying up for the Spain striker. The Liverpool manager, who was left frustrated by Saturday’s goalless draw against Stoke City at Anfield, argued that the 24-year-old will be better off playing his way back to full sharpness rather than resting.

Torres, who scored 33 goals in his debut season at Anfield, has scored only once in seven matches this season and missed the recent World Cup qualifiers with a hamstring injury. His reduced potency has been exacerbated by Robbie Keane’s failure to score in his first eight appearances for the club, but while the Ireland forward was left out the starting lineup for last week’s 2-1 win away to Marseilles in the Champions League, Benitez disagreed that Torres needs a rest from big games. A trip across Stanley Park to face Everton on Saturday follows tomorrow’s Carling Cup tie at home to Crewe Alexandra.

“They had some days off and if he [Torres] goes with the national team you cannot control this situation,” Benitez said. “We need all the players and we try to give one or two days off to some of them. Fernando has been injured, so it’s not the same situation. Álvaro Arbeloa, Xabi Alonso and Jose Reina came back late [from Euro 2008], but they didn’t have injuries, so you can work with them.

“Every player coming back from a tournament like this, one month later they will need time [to regain match sharpness]. Physically he needs to improve, but against Stoke it wasn’t a physical problem. It was difficult because he had less space. They were on top of him all the time.”

Albert Riera suggested that it is premature to judge Liverpool and has backed his international colleague to reproduce his best form soon. “I’ve known Fernando for a long time,” the winger said. “I’m sure there will be a connection because we know each other very well. Every player has periods when they don’t score – but they [Torres and Keane] are fantastic players. The only problem is that the shots aren’t going in, but I’m sure they will score a lot of goals.

“It’s still very early in the Premier League. It’s a long season and we must be patient. I’m sure we will get better, but the most important thing is how we finish.”

Liverpool Given Due Warning As Sinama-Pongolle And Atletico Go On Scoring Spree

Atletico Madrid sounded a warning to Liverpool, whom they meet in a Champions League Group D clash next month, with a 4-0 thrashing of Recreativo Huelva at the weekend.

Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez will need to beware of Atletico's Argentine striker Sergio Aguero, who scored his fourth goal in a week to set Atletico on their way.

And former Liverpool forward Florent Sinama-Pongolle was also on target with two goals, with Portugal midfielder Maniche grabbing the other in a victory that lifted Atletico to six points.

Aguero, left completely alone by Recreativo's defense, took just eight minutes of the game at Vicente Calderon Stadium to continue his prolific form when he headed in the first goal from Simao Sabrosa's floated free-kick.

The Argentina striker had netted twice in Atletico's 3-0 Champions League win over PSV Eindhoven on Tuesday and scored his team's consolation goal in the 2-1 defeat by Valladolid last weekend.

Aguero then had a second goal disallowed 16 minutes later, before Atletico finally doubled their lead in the 53rd when Portugal midfielder Maniche drilled the ball home after Recreativo had failed to clear a corner.

Sinama-Pongolle, who joined Atletico from Recreativo in the summer, ended his former club's hopes with the third goal in the 78th, the French forward side-footing home following a forceful run by Atletico substitute Miguel De Las Cuevas.

Sinama-Pongolle scored again in the 89th when he beat Recreativo defender Cesar Arzo before calmly stroking the ball home to provide Atletico with a repeat of the 4-0 win over Malaga in their opening home game three weeks ago.

It gives Jamie Carragher and the rest of the Liverpool defence plenty to ponder before the teams meet in Spain on October 22.

Albert Riera: Fernando Torres Will Come Good For Liverpool FC

ALBERT RIERA is convinced Fernando Torres is on the verge of recapturing his goalscoring form after his subdued start to the season.

Riera and fellow Spaniard Torres started a game together for the first time on Saturday as Liverpool disappointingly drew 0-0 with Stoke City at Anfield.

The point was good enough to take Liverpool briefly back to the top of the Premier League – but they were overtaken by Arsenal and Chelsea over the course of the weekend.

And the good work of the previous week’s 2-1 victory over Manchester United was undone as Liverpool failed to score against a side that has conceded 10 league goals this season and lies in the bottom three.

Torres, back to full fitness after a hamstring injury, has failed to score in five games since his opening-day winner at Sunderland, which is still his only goal of this season – and on Saturday he missed three chances he would surely have buried during his 33-goal debut season last year.

The stalemate with Stoke also meant Robbie Keane’s wait to open his Anfield account extended to eight games as the strikers struggle to establish an effective partnership.

But left-winger Riera is convinced he can help supply the opportunities that will have Torres and Keane soaring up the scoring charts once again.

“The thing with Fernando and Robbie is every player has periods when they don’t score,” said Riera. “But they are fantastic players.

“The only problem is that the shots aren’t going in for them at the moment, but I’m sure they will score a lot of goals.

“But Stoke was a very difficult match for the forwards. Sometimes they had a line of nine men defending so it was hard to break through.

“We knew before the match it would be like that so it wasn’t a surprise. We tried many times to score but it was one of those typical games where if you don’t score quickly it becomes more and difficult because they just get more and more men behind the ball.”

He added: “I’ve known Fernando for a long time, I was with him at under-18s, under-21s and with the Spanish national team last year.

“I’m sure there will be a connection because we know each other’s games very well.”

Riera, who made his second successive league start following his transfer deadline day move, is also unconcerned by Liverpool’s failure to hit their stride.

They are still unbeaten with 11 points out of 15 and the former Manchester City loan star is confident that the team will improve as the season progresses.

“It’s still very early in the Premier League,” Riera added. “It’s only the beginning and we will have many more matches that are better than today.

“It’s a long season and we must be patient. I’m sure we will get better but the most important thing is how we finish.

Dirk Kuyt added his voice of support to Torres, who he partnered up front towards the end of the draw with Stoke.

“He did really well and he was a bit unlucky, just like me, with his chances today. We were all a bit unlucky,” said the Dutchman.

“But I’m sure he will start scoring goals really quickly because you can see the quality in every game.

“I’m sure he will be back to scoring goals – he played a really good game today but just didn’t score.

“Fernando is fit now and even if he doesn’t score you can see he is a top quality striker, so no worries.”

Has Fernando Torres Lost His Touch For Liverpool FC?

It’s difficult to work out what was the bigger shock at Anfield on Saturday – Stoke gaining a point or the strange feeling that many among the Liverpool faithful are not happy with Fernando Torres’ form.

It’s not long since ‘El Nino’ could do no wrong it seemed.

As Liverpool’s record signing’s debut season in England went on, he just got better and better.

Torres finished the campaign with 24 Premier League goals to eclipse Ruud van Nistelrooy’s record for an overseas striker kicking-off his career on these shores and his overall total in all competitions was a mightily impressive 33.

Having quickly become a cult hero at Anfield with his own unique song and ‘bouncing’ dance in the stands, the former Atletico Madrid striker took his form onto the international stage over the summer, netting Spain’s winning goal in the European Championship final and in doing so ending his country’s 44-year wait for a major trophy.

Although Torres’ heroics in Austria and Switzerland meant that he and the rest of the victorious Spanish quartet in Liverpool’s squad returned late for pre-season training, he certainly looked up to speed by the time the Premier League’s opener came around a month ago.

Under pressure for long periods away against a much-improved Sunderland side, Liverpool pinched the points at the Stadium of Light thanks to another breathtaking piece of Torres brilliance.

Hardly given a sniff all evening, Liverpool’s number nine emerged from seemingly nowhere to crash home the winning goal with virtually his only shot on target of the game.

Five weeks on from his Wearside wonder strike, Torres has become the subject of some quiet rumblings of complaint from his adoring public.

It would still be a brave, or indeed foolish man, to back against a fully fit Torres breaking the 20-goal barrier again this season but just at this moment, the fact that the 24-year-old is a mere mortal is evident.

Whisper it carefully at Anfield because football has a habit of making you look stupid if you write someone off prematurely, especially a front man of such world class quality as Torres but some are even daring to use phrases like “second season syndrome.”

And as the hosts huffed and puffed but were unable to blow the Potters’ defensive house down, the chief culprit in front of goal was the normally clinical Torres.

Fed by compatriot Arbeloa, who is keeping new recruit Philipp Degen out with a string of assured performances in the right-back slot, Torres’ best opportunity came with a headed effort he normally would have buried, but on this occasion the ball sailed wide of the left-hand post.

Another two shots followed from the edge of the area, but both flew over the bar and into the Kop as a resolute Stoke rearguard, who had leaked 11 goals in five previous games this term, dug deep to hold out for their first clean sheet of the season and the most welcome of Premier League points.

A niggling hamstring injury has hampered Torres’s campaign so far, a factor not lost on his manager Rafael Benitez who admits that neither his main striker or influential skipper Steven Gerrard are entirely 100% fit at the moment.

And although it may have been purely coincidental, unbeaten Liverpool’s worst Premier League result of the season so far came just a week after their best – a 2-1 success against English and European champions Manchester United which was a first ever league win over their rivals from Old Trafford during Benitez’s reign.

It’s highly unlikely that Torres will figure against Crewe Alexandra in Liverpool’s Carling Cup third round tie at Anfield tomorrow night so he has a week to get Saturday’s misses out of his system.

And those dissenting voices among Liverpool’s supporters will soon be silenced if the Spaniard manages to repeat his feat of six months ago and nets a winner in the Merseyside derby.

Benitez Backing Goalshy Strikers

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez insists he is not concerned by the lack of goals from strikers Fernando Torres and Robbie Keane.

Torres has netted only one goal in seven appearances this season, while Keane has yet to open his account since joining from Tottenham in July - and both struggled as Liverpool drew 0-0 with Stoke at Anfield on Saturday.

Torres scored 33 goals in all competitions in his first campaign in England after a big-money move from Atletico Madrid in 2007, before firing Spain to European Championship glory this summer.

However, Torres and Keane - who netted 14 times in the Premier League last term - have found the going tough so far this term and Benitez admits confidence may become an issue.

But the Anfield boss believes Torres is still recovering from participating in Euro 2008, and is confident that the 24-year-old and Keane will soon rediscover their goalscoring touch.

He told the Daily Mail: "Torres returned from the Euros a month later than normal and will need more time to build up his strength and fitness.

"That doesn't help, but there were other problems against Stoke because he had no space and was under pressure all the time.

"Confidence becomes an issue with any striker when he is not scoring and it is clear Torres and Keane both need a goal.

"When it happens you will see a real difference."

Monday, September 22, 2008

Rafa Ready To Ring The Changes


Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez is ready to offer the younger members of his squad the opportunity to impress against Crewe in the Carling Cup on Tuesday.

Benitez is expected to name the likes of left-back Emiliano Insua, midfielder Damien Plessis and forward Daniel Pacheco in his plans as he looks to rest a number of his first-team stars when the Railwaymen arrive at Anfield.

Insua and Plessis enjoyed games in Liverpool's domestic first-team towards the end of last season as Benitez concentrated on the UEFA Champions League, and he is again willing to field fringe players.

But the Spaniard is well aware that he must name a team which will avoid an upset against Liverpool's League One opponents.

"It's an important competition for us but it's also one which gives us the chance to use some different players," said Benitez.

"We have to be careful though. We want to win the game and go on to win the tournament so while we can use some of our youngsters, we need to make sure we get the team right for winning.

"It's a good opportunity for the youngsters who are selected. We have four or five of them training with the first team every day so they know how we work, but to be involved for a match gives them a chance to show us what they can do.

"They played well in pre-season and also in some games last year, so we know they have the quality to have a future here."

One player definitely in line to make his Anfield debut is Brazilian goalkeeper Diego Cavalieri, who arrived from Palmeiras in the summer, with first choice Jose Reina set to be rested.

"Normally, Diego will play in the Carling Cup - he is a fantastic professional who is learning all the time about English football," Benitez told Liverpool's official website.

"It's a different style to what he was used to in Brazil but I think he showed in pre-season that he can do everything well. He's a good goalkeeper and can challenge Reina."

Kuyt Support For Torres & Keane As Dutchman Says ‘No Worries’ On Lack Of Goals By Liverpool Strike Duo

Liverpool’s Dirk Kuyt has given support to strikers Fernando Torres and Robbie Keane both of whom are looking to be amongst the goals but have been frustrated in their endeavour, as the Reds were held to a goalless draw by new-entrants Stoke City at Anfield on Saturday.

Spanish ace Torres has the record of being the most prolific foreign striker in the Premiership debut campaign following his last season’s tally of 24 league goals. However, the 24-year-old is yet to be back to his best so far this term.

Republic of Ireland forward Keane has had a productive career with Tottenham before his summer move to Anfield. The 28-year-old is still looking to score his first goal for Rafa Benitez's side.

Dutch international Kuyt, who started as a target-man, but is now regularly employed in wide right position, however, is confident that the duo will score goals aplenty.

“The goals will come for Fernando and Robbie. Both are trying hard, but Fernando has had an injury and the Euro 2008 finals to recover from. He lasted in them a bit longer than me!” Kuyt is quoted as saying in Liverpool Daily Post.

“I went out in the quarter-finals with Holland, so I have had more rest and a better pre-season. Torres has not had that, but the goals will come again.

“Fernando is fit now. You can see his quality, as you can with Robbie. We have no worries, they will score plenty of goals.”

Owen Caught In Mersey Melee


Michael Owen's future at Newcastle has been cast into further doubt with rumours circulating that both Everton and Liverpool will move for the striker in January.

According to News of the World, the Merseyside nemeses will approach Owen during the winter with a view to convincing the England hitman to complete a free transfer at the end of the season.

The 28-year-old was in and out of contract negotiations all summer long. The Toon at one point attempted to ease their cash-flow crisis by slashing 20 per cent off his wages, while later reports suggested a bumper £140,000-per-week deal was on the horizon.

But there have been no developments on that front in recent weeks, and with Tyneside in a catastrophic state following Kevin Keegan's scandalous departure it is unlikely Owen will commit to the club anytime soon.

Both Liverpool and Everton were linked with the former Real Madrid player late in the transfer window as tensions began to mount between Keegan and owner Mike Ashley at St James' Park, and their interest has only skyrocketed since.

It would be wholly unsurprising if Owen were to rejoin the Reds, having come close to doing so just a year after leaving for the Santiago Bernabeu.

And while factions of the Kop remain hostile towards their former favourite, manager Rafael Benitez's decision to re-sign an ageing Robbie Fowler in 2006 has set a precedent for fairytale homecomings.

Heskey Regrets Liverpool Exit

Powerful Wigan Athletic striker Emile Heskey has said that he regrets leaving Liverpool, and wishes that he had had more of a chance to prove himself at the top level.

The England international’s career has been reignited since his move to the JJB Stadium, with his good performances earning an England recall and interest from several Premier League clubs.

The 30-year-old moved to Anfield from his beloved Leicester City in 2000 in an £11m deal, and in his first season with the club, scored 23 league goals, earning himself an England call up. After that however, he fell out of favour at Anfield, and was sold to Birmingham for a fee that would rise to £6.25m.

Speaking to The Sunday Times, Heskey said, “It was a disappointment to leave Anfield.

“Liverpool are such a big club. Anybody who tells you he wants to leave a club like that is lying.

“But, if your time has run its course, it's no use hanging on.”

Heskey has regained his form since moving to Wigan two years ago, and played a big part in England’s recent World Cup qualifying victories over Andorra and Croatia. However, the Croatia triumph in Zagreb was marred by racist chanting towards Heskey from the home fans.

Heskey commented, “When I made a challenge, which I got booked for, it felt like the whole stand behind the goal we were attacking in the second half was doing it," he continued.

“When we kicked off again with the free kick it stopped, but for 10 or 20 seconds you could hear it, and it was horrible.

“We've had it before, in Spain and Slovakia, and if you think about it, you probably get it in places where they don't have many black players, or even black people, in the community. Not like England, which is multicultural.

“Over there, they are a long way behind us in that respect, and it's down to ignorance. At first I thought, 'What the hell is this?' But as soon as we kicked off again it went out of my head.

“When I was younger, I'd have been angrier, but the more you come across it, the more you're left thinking, 'What can you do?' It's up to the authorities to take action. We've reported it, so let's see what happens.”

Striking Questions For Benitez


Dirk Kuyt is convinced Fernando Torres and Robbie Keane will soon start scoring for Liverpool despite drawing a blank against relegation favourites Stoke.

Tony Pulis' well-organised, defiant Potters forced an unlikely goalless draw and celebrated as if they had won the Barclays Premier League title.

Their fans, packed into the Anfield Road end, gave it their all as well and Stoke's players responded to hold a team who seven days earlier beat Manchester United on the same pitch.

But Liverpool boss Benitez touched on his problem with a suggestion that Liverpool "needed more ability in the box".

That constitutes a remarkable comment considering he was no doubt referring to Fernando Torres, Robbie Keane and Kuyt, who cost him a combined £50million.

The trio have played 23 games between them this term and notched a total of just two goals.

Benitez will moan, rightly, about referee Andre Marriner's "massive mistake" to deny Steven Gerrard his 100th Liverpool goal. But the unbeaten Anfield men should be able to sweep away such predictable defensive tactics as Stoke employed.

Torres is still clearly suffering from the after-effects on his own amazing summer in winning the Euro 2008 crown for Spain, Keane is working himself into the ground but cannot buy a goal, while Kuyt's work-rate can never be doubted, only his accuracy.

Kuyt believes everything will come right soon, and joined the uproar over the decision to rule-out Gerrard's free-kick goal for offside.

Marriner confirmed afterwards that was the reason the strike did not count, and only served to enrage Liverpool further.

Kuyt said: "It was a perfectly good goal, nobody touched the ball as it curled in and certainly not me. I had no intention of doing anything because the ball was going in and it had not been flicked on or anything like that. I was not interfering with play.

"The referee said there was someone in the eye-line of the 'keeper who was offside."

But Kuyt added: "The goals will come for Fernando and Robbie. Both are trying hard, but Fernando has had an injury and the Euro 2008 finals to recover from. He lasted in them a bit longer than me!

"I went out in the quarter-finals with Holland, so I have had more rest and a better pre-season. Torres has not had that, but the goals will come again.

"Fernando is fit now. You can see his quality, as you can with Robbie. We have no worries, they will score plenty of goals."

Kuyt did not skirt the real issue which cost Liverpool top spot just a couple of hours later when Arsenal won, predictably, at Bolton.

He said: "We had enough chances to score other goals. We worked really hard, had lots of possession, but sometimes you need more luck.

"But we know that many teams come to Anfield and defend like Stoke did. We have just got to be patient and make sure we take the chances we do get, I was guilty of misses too.

"We have lost two points, which after beating Manchester United here is a real blow. But now we must make sure we make up for this.

"Our next league game is at Everton, so we know that will be hard. But we have to make sure we get the points after this.

"That will be the perfect opportunity to make up what we have lost against Stoke."

Pulis was overjoyed, and knew his good fortune.

He said: "To come to one of the greatest clubs in the world and fight like that was magnificent. We even had a decision go our way with that disallowed goal.

"As far as I am concerned, there was nobody offside, and if that is what the referee has said, my view is that I am just happy to have got a point at Anfield and seen a decision go our way.

"We did not have a day off in the week beforehand. We knew we would be under constant pressure and have to face a lot of crosses so we needed to practise defending against them.

"We were confident we have big lads who can handle it and that proved to be the case. It gives us confidence for the rest of the season."

Rafa's Views On Andre Marriner


Rafa Benitez was left to rue a "strange" decision that saw the Reds denied a goal, in a frustrating 0-0 draw with Stoke at Anfield. Stevie Gerrard had a goal ruled out by referee Andre Marriner, as he gave Dirk Kuyt offside, even though he didn't even touch the ball and there was no flag from the assistant. This left Rafa furious with Marriner and he launched an attack, telling Sky Sports:

'It is difficult to explain. When we scored the first goal the game would be open and just the referee in a very bad position disallowed the goal.

'It is strange as I have watched the replay and no one can understand why [the goal was disallowed]. His [the referee's] position is impossible. It is impossible to have a good view, if it was the linesman you could say okay it could be offside but it wasn't.

'Very, very strange [decision], but the referee normally is very, very strange.

'He said to Carra that he disallowed it but didn't say why so maybe he doesn't know.'

Rafa believes that this disallowed goal did make a major difference in the outcome of the match, with things almost certain to have been different otherwise, as he explained:

'Really [the disallowed goal] could be a massive difference, we knew it could be a massive difference, but again having said that we have to score more goals and I think we tried.

'The team was working so hard trying to do everything.

'We had plenty of possession, we were attacking both sides, shooting from distance, playing between the lines.

'At the end of the day the keeper was good in two or three situations but when they defend so deep you don't have space.

'We were controlling and attacking all the time so you cannot do everything perfect and in this case I think the final third we could be better.'

All in all Rafa, despite his anger, couldn't hide his disappointment at two points dropped at Anfield. He does feel that we will still have a good season though as we are still in a good position, even if it could've been better, he added:

'Yeah I am really disappointed as I think this is a game we deserved to win and we could be in a much better situation.

'But we are top of the table and we are in a good position, could be better, but a good position.'

Sometimes you just have one of these matches where nothing goes, but to be fair we have seen a fair amount of fortune this season, times when we haven't played well, or deserved a win, and have still managed it so we can't complain that much really can we? Had this goal not been ruled out after only a minute and a half on the clock the chances are we would've scored a hatful. However for whatever reason the goal was ruled out and we couldn't break down a spirited Stoke rearguard, who deserve credit for this, no matter how hard we tried.

"You'll Never Walk Alone"

To me, it's the greatest and most heartfelt football anthem of all time.

Before the dogs start barking about arrogant Liverpool fans, take my view in the context it's intended. Of course it's going to mean a lot to me, as the anthem of my own club I'm going to have a biased opinion, just as other club's fans will state their anthem means a lot to them; but can any other anthem really have so much passion, history and meaning behind it?

It's a song that can lend itself to be sung in triumph and despair, in desperation and in hope. A song that can be sung with ever changing tones to suit differing situations, with no idea how it manages to sound so different, it just does. From the celebratory You'll Never Walk Alone after an historic victory, to the plea for help from above, and act of defiance of the famous half time battle cry in Istanbul. Each time it's sung it sounds different and means something else; it's a musical phenomenon.

But where did it all start?

For years, there's been Man Utd and Everton fans claiming that "it's a Celtic song", and some even claiming it as their own. I even read an article from a women in the Manchester Evening News stating that United fans sang You'll Never Walk Alone in the aftermath of the Munich Air Disaster, at a Memorial Service before the first home following the crash in 1958, so it was their song as they sang it first. I've got no reason to doubt the song was sung that day, but every reason to doubt United fans then adopted it as their anthem from then on in. It didn't become a popular sound to the ears of the nation for another 5 years, when Gerry and The Pacemakers hit the number one spot with a cover of the 1945 Rodgers and Hammerstein musical, Carousel; and United fans certainly didn't sing it at their games after that service.

From Kopites a lot older than myself, I have it on good authority that the singing of You'll Never Walk Alone actually began in early 1963, during a 1-0 defeat at Hillsborough. It was reported to be sung at several games towards the end of the 1962/63 season, and became the new song of The Kop, gathering pace all the time. Gerry Marsden knew of this cult and capitalised on its popularity by releasing it as a single on 4th October 1963. This however is the views of a few, with no facts to back it up.

Back in the 1960's and before, the PA at Anfield used to blare out the current top ten in the build up to the match; with the current number one track being played as the last before the teams were announced. On 14th November 1963, Gerry and The Pacemakers shot into the number one spot with You'll Never Walk Alone, staying there for 4 weeks. So as was the custom with the Kopites of yesteryear, they'd join in and sing along to their favourite tracks of the time. The Kop would sing along to You'll Never Walk Alone as it was bellowed out over the PA, before welcoming the team onto the pitch with rattles and rolled up Echo's, dressed smartly in their pristine suits. Can you imagine the Kop full of suits these days? Actually, that might not be so unrealistic if the money men running our game had their way.....

On 12th December 1963, Gerry and The Pacemakers lost their number one slot to The Beatles, with their "I Want To Hold Your Hand"; hence You'll Never Walk Alone was no longer the last song to be played before the game. The travelling Kop began to sing it at away games during this time, and on it's demotion from the number one spot, requests were made to play the song anyway before the game at Anfield. The Kop began to sing You'll Never Walk Alone of their own accord, before the club agreed to revert to the trend of playing of it just before the teams were announced at every game. From that, an anthem was born.

By early in 1964, The Kop had it's official anthem, and it has been sung at every game since. That ladies and gentlemen, is how it all began.

Now some say Celtic sang it first; but I've yet to see any evidence or reasoning to back up that claim. I look at it this way; Celtic went to Lisbon on the 25th May 1967, for The European Cup Final against Inter Milan, famously winning the "Ol Big Ears" with 11 men born within spitting distance of Glasgow. There is footage of that final readily available, so watch it, and let me know if you hear the Celtic fans singing You'll Never Walk Alone at any point during that game. Remember this was over three and half years since The Kop had officially adopted the song as their anthem, and had been singing it at every game throughout that period. So if Celtic had sung it before The Kop, surely we'd be able to hear them roaring it out in victory over in Lisbon? If they'd adopted the song before The Kop, with the night of the famous Lisbon Lions being almost four years on from that date; surely it would have caught on by then and be sung by the masses? Apparently not. So with the original owner of the anthem cleared up...

Just what does it actually mean? Is it just a song like many thousands of others? What makes it different? What sets it apart from the rest?

To me, it's entire complexion changed after 15th April 1989. Before that date, it was a song of triumph and belief. Sang in celebration and in posture. An arrogant airing before every game, in a statement that meant just as much as the "This Is Anfield" sign above the tunnel. It let everyone know they were at Anfield. Sang prior to games as a statement, sang after the game in joy or defiance, result dependant. Yet after the horrors of Hillsborough, the song had a whole new and more powerful meaning. The lyrics were turned on their head in one scandalous swoop. We were no longer just telling the players they would never walk alone and to hold their heads up high, to never be afraid; we were now singing it to the 96 that left us.

Since that day, thousands of fans affected by the tragedy of Hillsborough, those that lost loved ones, sang that song for them. I can't do that, as I didn't know anybody that lost their life at Hillsborough, but every now and again, when the situation arises, I sing that song for them. The game before the anniversary every year, at the Memorial Service, and when stood alongside friends at the match that did lose brothers, cousins and friends. You can see in their eyes just what the song means to them, and almost 20 years on, the feeling is still there each time the song is sung. The most powerful lyrics ever penned still pulling on emotional strings almost two decades later. How can any other football anthem compare with that?

The following clip brings home what the song means, and how far it can reach and affect people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZrVfMRyoE0

AC Milan fans, in the days following the disaster, printed off song sheets with the words to You'll Never Walk Alone and handed them out amongst their support with a plea to learn them for the next home game, only 4 days after the disaster. A gesture was planned to stop the game at 3.06pm (the time of the game being stopped at Hillsborough) and hold a minutes silence. The AC Milan fans had other ideas, and planned to sing You'll Never Walk Alone during that silence. They took the time and effort to learn the words, and sing the song during that break in play. Learning a song in a different language and hearing it ring around the San Siro really brings home what the song means and the depth it holds. AC Milan fans will always have a special place in my heart for that gesture, along with other club's fans across the continent carrying out similar acts of respect for those that passed away. All using You'll Never Walk Alone as the focal point for their thoughts and respects.

Moving onto less sombre renditions of the greatest football anthem of all time; there are two renditions from recent times that will live with me forever, both sung within a few weeks of each other:

1. Full time against Chelsea in the 2005 European Cup Semi Final - http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=11MQnQ8QjJs

2. Half time in Istanbul - http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=S8CEh_TgAg4

That night against Chelsea will go down as the greatest in Anfield history, and I very much doubt it will ever be surpassed. I've watched it back on DVD time and time again, yet the coverage just doesn't do it justice. You had to be there that night to really appreciate the atmosphere and the occasion. No media coverage or outside view could ever transmit the raw passion and desire in the air that night. It was 20 years of frustration and absence being released at once. The whole city had a glow and a buzz about it from the crack of dawn, reaching fever pitch in and around the streets of Anfield as the game approached. You can't recreate that atmosphere, you can't fabricate and manufacture 20 years of pent up desire no matter how much money you spend on plastic flags or handing out scarves. On entering the ground some 45 minutes before kick off, it was already bouncing, and you could genuinely see the Chelsea players and fans alike taken aback by what they'd walked into. They didn't expect this in the slightest.

The next 90 minutes is a blur of noise and shapes; then a minute or so after the final whistle, with hugs and punches of the air still going on all around you, George Sephton hits play, and then it starts...

"When you walk, through a storm..."

I still get goose bumps and a shiver up my spine every time I watch that footage back. Yet even watching it back, it still doesn't do justice to the way it was sung that night. The game was over, we'd done it, and we were going to a European Cup Final. A whole generation going to their first, another generation returning to the place they'd long to be, and it all poured out during that song. It signified the game was over and we were actually going to Istanbul. The streets and bars around the city afterwards were flooded with smiles and song, all triggered by that song sparking the celebrations, and bringing it home to us just what we'd all witnessed. We were the massive underdogs, nobody gave us a chance. Yet we beat the Chelsea billionaires to reach a completely unexpected trip to a European Cup Final. With hope in our hearts; our dreams were tossed and blown. Literally.

The second example is probably the most rousing and defiant You'll Never Walk Alone I've ever been a part of. We were 3-0 down to the mighty AC Milan and being humiliated in front of the watching world, on the biggest stage imaginable. Imagine Buzz Aldrin stepping onto the moon, with people all around the globe glued to their screens, then Neil Armstrong sneaks up behind him and whips his trousers down. Ignore the fact he was in a spacesuit and it would have killed him, you get the idea. We had just had our trousers well and truly torn down by Kaka and co, and stood there exposed to the world, warts and all for everyone to see. The players left the field dejected, we all fell into our seats; slumped into piles of fleshy misery and humiliation, as others remained on their feet just staring into space, wondering if this was all just a dream, had that last 45 minutes really just happened? Well it had, and we were beaten, on and off the field. Our support a mixture of stares and slumpers, then it came.

I was sat down on the floor in the aisle trying to take it all in, cold concrete under my sorry behind and no life left. I was beaten. Then the strains of You'll Never Walk Alone could be heard in the distance. Just the opening few words; but I remained where I was, continuing to feel sorry for myself. My mate then screams out in anger, "that song's not the answer for everything you know".

Then it begins to build. It gets louder and louder, people dragging themselves off the floor and helping up others. Rising from the dead like something out of a film, until there were 40,000 of us standing as one and belting it out. It turned from a few bars being sung in desperation, into a passionate mass of scouse solidarity within seconds, becoming the most rousing and supportive You'll Never Walk Alone I've ever heard or been a part of, every word sung with belief and passion as flares lit up the Turkish sky. The Italians thought they had it won, celebrating amongst themselves at the far end of the stadium as we were draped across the ground like deflated red balloons; only to see the whole mood within the ground change during the singing of one song. Chests puffed out, standing tall, heads held high through the storm. The rest is history.

How can there be a greater anthem than that?

You'll Never Walk Alone

Article courtesy of Paul Jones.

Young Reds Win Again

Goals from James Ellison, Lauri Dalla Valle and Marvin Pourie gave Liverpool Under-18s a 3-0 win over Sheffield Wednesday.

Hughie McAuley's side have now won four out of their opening five Academy games, scoring 12 goals in the process.

Highlight of the game was a brilliant effort from substitute Marvin Pourie who finished off a fine individual run with a shot into the top corner of the net.

"We controlled the game from start to finish and plyed some nice attacking football," McAuley told Liverpoolfc.tv.

"We scored three excellent goals. Ellison got the first after good play from Adam Pepper and Nathan Eccleston. Dalla Valle then made it 2-0 with a great finish after a great run from Nathan.

"Marvin came off the bench to score a great goal and we could have added to our tally in the end.

"We had Christopher Buchtmann back after his hamstring problems and he did very well when he came on in the second half at left back."

Liverpool Under-18s team: Martin Hansen, Michael Scott, Alex Cooper (Christopher Buchtmann 60), Andre Wisdom, Joe Kennedy, Astrit Ajdarevic, James Ellison (Marvin Pourie 75), Adam Pepper, Lauri Dalla Valle, Nathan Eccleston, Alex Kacaniklic (David Amoo 70). Unused subs: Jack Metcalf, Deale Chamberlain.

Sunday, September 21, 2008

Match Report: LiverpooL 0 - 0 Stoke City


Defiant Stoke stopped unbeaten Liverpool in their tracks at Anfield with a magnificent rearguard action.

Liverpool dominated throughout, had close on 70% possession, but just could not find a way past goalkeeper Thomas Sorensen and his outstanding defenders.

Stoke play to their strengths - being direct and physical - but they deserved their day in the sun.

They halted a Liverpool side who had beaten Manchester United and Marseille in the previous week.

Manager Rafael Benitez rested Ryan Babel, Javier Mascherano and Lucas to the bench with Robbie Keane, Albert Riera and Xabi Alonso returning.

Stoke had former Liverpool midfielder Salif Diao in their side, his first start of the season while Amdy Faye was suspended.

Leon Cort and Ricardo Fuller were also on the bench after playing against Everton last weekend, Mamady Sidibe and Abdoulaye Faye returned.

Gerrard thought he had scored his 100th club goal after just two minutes when referee Andre Marriner gave a free-kick for a push in the back on Fernando Torres.

The captain's curling free-kick from the left looked to have been missed by everyone-- including Sorensen - as the ball sailed on into the far corner, with Dirk Kuyt throwing himself at it on the far post, without making contact.

All Gerrard's colleagues rushed to congratulate their captain but a linesman's flag surprisingly cut short the celebrations.

Stoke responded with a 20-yard shot from Dave Kitson just over, while at the other end Sorensen needed to save smartly from a Robbie Keane first-time effort.

Gerrard kept trying and his next effort, a 20-yard free-kick, that Sorensen held comfortably.

Stoke were continually forced back with Liverpool keeping possession and passing well.

Such was Liverpool's territorial advantage that centre-back Martin Skrtel was spending considerable time linking in midfield.

Stoke lost Ibrahima Sonko with a leg injury after 21 minutes, to be replaced by Cort, while Sidibe needed to change his shirt after a gashed eye left him blood-stained.

But despite the constantly flowing attacks Stoke did not panic despite keeping two men up front whenever they could manage.

The tactic gave Liverpool plenty of space and possession, with Andrea Dossena joining Riera down the left almost at will.

Sorensen punched away another Alonso long-range strike and Torres had a drive charged down.

But there was great resilience and organisation about Stoke, with Diao screening the defence where Faye, Danny Higginbotham and Cort were standing firm against the barrage.

Kuyt fired wide and Gerrard saw another right-footer sail wide, while Alonso clattered another 20-yard shot over the top as the Potters reached the break unscathed.

Six minutes into the second period Keane almost ended his goal famine. Alvaro Arbeloa and Kuyt combined down the right and when the cross arrived on the six-yard line Kuyt's stabbed effort was well saved by Sorensen.

Liverpool continued to pour forward but frustration was creeping in with too many players trying increasingly erratic long-range efforts.

Stoke grew in confidence and they started to win set-pieces inside Liverpool's half, while the hosts were becoming wasteful.

Kuyt's lay-off saw Torres side-foot over from 10 yards before Babel replaced Riera after 65 minutes.

Sorensen had to save well from Kuyt, while another curler from the Dutchman just cleared the far post.

Yossi Benayoun then replaced Keane, with Jamie Carragher and Gerrard seeing efforts go close from outside the box.

Gerrard had another effort deflected wide by Cresswell with Stoke now camped in their own final third. Ricardo Fuller came on for Kitson after 77 minutes.

Liverpool's nerves were jangling every time Stoke won a throw or set-piece and for one Delap effort all 11 players were called back into defence.

A Gerrard run and Benayoun pass ended with Torres spinning to lash yet another effort into the Kop.

Skrtel was booked for a foul on Fuller, but Stoke hung on, throwing bodies in the way of numerous crosses and shots.

Rafa: Massive Mistake Costs Us

Rafa Benitez was left cursing a 'massive' refereeing error which denied Liverpool a crucial opener in Saturday's stalemate with newly-promoted Stoke.

Steven Gerrard appeared to have opened the scoring after just three minutes only for the linesman to flag for no valid reason.

"Nobody knows why it was disallowed," Benitez told reporters after the final whistle at Anfield.

"The referee told Carra that he – and not the linesman - disallowed the goal but I don't think he knows why. With the position the referee was in, how could he disallow it? It was unbelievable and we have to talk about it because it was a key decision.

"It is impossible to explain.

"The other thing we have to talk about when you forget about the massive mistake is the game. We had plenty of possession, tried from both sides and between the lines, had corners and free-kicks and long shots - but we couldn't score. This is football sometimes, but the players worked really hard.

"Sometimes you need a bit more luck or sometimes a bit more ability in the final third.

"I don't know how many attempts we had. It's difficult to find a solution when you have 25 to 30 chances – you just have to do the same again and maybe it will be different next time."